Student Panelist Discuss Their Podcasts

During the event, Hannah-Jones conducted a panel discussion with three students part of each episode: junior Jacob Smith, a film and television major; junior Trinity Webster-Bass, a broadcast journalism student; and Zoe Cummings, a sophomore journalism student. 

The podcast’s first episode, “Principles of Drip” by Cummings, discusses how the Black fashion trends of today originated in African culture before slave trade was established, specifically the Ashanti Tribe’s tradition of being draped in gold regardless of social hierarchy. The episode tackles how those traditions, and Jim Crow’s strict dress code laws during the Reconstruction Era, sport strong ties to Black culture’s affinity for fashion today.  

“Color Theory” by Smith, the second episode, discusses “racism’s ugly and pervasive child, colorism,” and its history as a divisive agent of white supremacy. Finally, “Queen Seminar” by Webster-Bass centers around the murder of gay dancer O’Shae Sibley at a New York City gas station, showcasing the range of lives, emotions, and experiences of the Black queer community. 

Cummings’ episode derived from her natural love for fashion and the trends of The Yard at-large that render Howard as the “drippiest college campus.” Cummings is also the author of the essay. 

“I saw all of these precedents and laws under Jim Crow where clothing was targeted too,” Cummings said. “If oppressors started banning clothing, that must mean something for our liberation...drip and fashion are tools of self-expression and that is liberating to show up as you are.” 

Smith discussed how colorism renders visual association with skin tones, a challenge since the audio-only format would only give way to testimony and research. He references historical and modern art such as Nina Simone’s “Four Women” and Spike Lee’s “School Daze” to depict earlier assessments of colorism. 

“How do we portray that in sound, in an audience experience?” Smith said. “Not only do we talk about the experience people have, but you try and show everyone listening [to] what we’re talking about. What I utilized was music. Music is telling stories, how a woman’s skin is ‘too Black’ or ‘arms too long.’” 

Webster-Bass says she understands the “connections between investigative journalism and the power of sound,” and how the two dynamics of journalism shine brightly in the podcast world. “Professor [Hannah-Jones] opened up a world of what investigative reporting can be,” Webster-Bass said. “Being part of this project has shown me how investigative reporting and audio recording connects.”  

Her “Queer Seminar” episode posed the task of telling a balanced, thorough history of the Black queer community, as reporting on homophobia triggered emotional heaviness. “Personally, I cried,” Webster-Bass said. 

“It was hard to listen to, to experience, to know that that was what the Black queer experience is like,” she said. “We saw the light at the end of the tunnel as the creativity of the Black queer community, and all they have to offer. That’s why we decided to end with ballroom.” 

Deanna Hayden, a third-year Ph.D. student in the school of communications’ culture and media studies program, served as Hannah-Jones' teaching assistant. Students thanked her as she noted how successful storytelling involves in-depth research and the use of historical guidance. “When it came to gearing these students in a project of this magnitude, it helped to understand where their stories lie, the basics of research as an academic and a communications scholar, and that grounded ourselves to tell a full narrative about each individual topic.” 

New York Times bestselling author and poet Jason Reynolds was one of several Black writers in the audience. “When we talk about... the continuum of Blackness, the only way we do that is through narrative,” he said, calling Hannah-Jones' work and Howard University “pillars” of Black American thought. “The HBCU circuit is a prominent part of our culture, but being known as The Mecca, it is important for us to have [The 1619 Project] discourse here.” 

To end the event, Hannah-Jones surprised junior Karys Hilton, a writer on the podcast project, a Spotify 2024 Next Gen Scholarship worth $10,000 for the 2024-2025 academic school year.  

“I am really appreciative of this scholarship,” Hilton said. “This was my first time in this class and it was very challenging but also very rewarding.”